Perhaps I did not explain myself. My great-grandfather was said to be a direct male y-DNA descendant of Cornstalk but several in the family have tested and the haplogroup is African, not Native American. At least in our family, the Ailstock family, a Cornstalk myth has persisted for multiple generations. My guess this is true for others as well. Family stories, even if old, are not necessarily accurate. This is not disrespectful, it is seeking truth over myth.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Geoff
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Theresa Caparco
Hello to all,All I know is that I show only 2% NA. Mohawk from my great grandmother, her father, and his parents were no doubt full blood from the 5 Nations Canada.My son however shows 5% NA which is from his father’s line, out of Chief Cornstalk, this means that the Cornstalk genetics must be powerful ones. We are now trying to get my ex to take a Y-DNA test as well- he being a 5th great grandson.I was Not disrespectful to my elders.I was disrespectful to ignorance.Yes, I do know that family oral histories can be faulty, the bigger picture is usually the smoke of where fire will/could be.Mine and my son’s has now been proven solid.Elder’s? Whose Elder’s ? I am 60 myself.Let’s keep Elder’s out of the conversation, age is but a number.Theresa Caparco and son, Lawrence Clark of NY.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Elizabeth Kernen
I am truly confused, I am from the Elizabeth See line. Is there a line? I would like to know from one end to the other so I can know for sure. Very interested because I have some other native American lines. Snow line, Chief Donohoo line. Can prove none of them. One I would like to have for sure.
Elizabeh
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Comment on Robertson by Larry Lawson
Shelia, just curious and wanting to know more about you. Is Lucy Tabitha Robertson a great grandmother to you? Her brother Eddie was my great grandfather. Do you know much about him? I have some info on him if you would like to see it, also have you done any research on Col. Charles “Black” Robertson, our six times great grandfather? What a legacy he left for us to follow, another great Robertson was William son of William and Eleanore Pitcairn Robertson, he was known as the great Scottish Historiographer, was also president of Edinburg University, one of the known intellectual’s of his time, I mean this family goes on and on for very interesting historical stuff. I had no idea. How proud and honored I am to have their blood running through my veins.
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Comment on Parker Vincent Adkins 1720-1792 by Melissa Humphrey
Hello! I’ve been reading the blog for awhile. I see this thread stopped commenting some time ago.
I have not had any luck with verifying that Elijah Adkins is the son of Parker Adkins and his 1st wife, Mary Whatsherface.
My connection and work that I have verified to date (my aunt’s records) with the Adkins is:
Paternal GGM: Nettie Adkins. Born: 27 Oct 1899, TN, Died 7 Jun 1978, TN.
1st marriage: 7 Jun 1913 to my GGF William Lee Halk Humphrey
(aka Lee) Nettie was 13 when she married.
2nd marriage: Owen Brock (date unknown)
GGGF: Melton Adkins. Born: 01 Nov 1843,TN, Died: 22MAR1943,
Lake City, TN (he almost made it to 100!)
3x’sGGF: Lewis (Louis) Adkins. Born: 1822, TN, Died: 20 Apr 1895,
TN. His birth year is approximate.
4x’sGGF: Richard Adkins. Born: 1788 Montgomery County, VA,
Died: 1836, Grainger (County), TN.
5x’sGGF: Elijah Adkins. Born: 1768 Montgomery County, VA,
Died: 1840 (ish), Anderson, County, TN.
I have seen trees that include Elijah as a child of Parker Adkins and one of his wives. I’ve seen more that do not include him. I am an auditor by trade, so I suppose that’s why I am not satisfied until I see proof or have solid confirmation for myself. :) My aunt worked on our ancestry for several decades before she passed away, and had extensive notes that I am trying to track down. Does anyone have a source for the connection with Elijah and Parker? Was he really the father? Any help is appreciated :)
I know there’s mistakes out there, and I take nothing at face value unless, I have some type of document to back it up. I want to be part of the solution in solving ancestral mysteries, not the problem :) If anything I have here is not correct, please let me know, and I will remove it.
Also, I have a few pictures of Nettie as well as one of her parents. Is there anyone collecting pictures here? Just wondering.
Thanks in advance for reading this and for any help.
Melissa Humphrey
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Comment on Parker Vincent Adkins 1720-1792 by Anita Simonsren
Melissa,
I hope this helps you some. The genealogy site on the Daughters of the American Revolution has proof that Elijah Adkins was the son of Parker. However I can’t access it all. DonnGreene also has a book out called Shawnee Heritage I that indicates this relationship. I don’t know where he got his information. As my ggggrandmother was the granddaughter of Elijah,mI would like to have absolute proof. If you find the documentation I hope you will share. Thanks.
Anita
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Mike van Beuren
Elizabeth Kernen: There is a well-developed Elizabeth See line on Geni.com . If you are not a member there, I suggest getting a trial membership to see this collaborative World Family Tree. The url for Elizabeth See is https://www.geni.com/people/Elizabeth-See/6000000018129096001
~• Mike vB
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Elizabeth Kernen
Of all the posts, I haven’t seen the name Yocum mentioned. Eleanor Zeh was my 5th great grandmother. Came through the Yocums. Mathias and Henry 1 and 2nd. Elizabeth Zeh was captured by Old Chief cornstalk and held until she was marrying age for his son. I’m sure this story has been told many times. “The Muddy Creek Massacre.”Everybody seems to have their own problems so I’ll keep on looking and asking until I find some answers.
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Comment on "Our Norris Metcalf 1765-1841" by John Havlicek
Thought-provoking writing – Just to add my thoughts , people are looking for a a form , my company filled out a fillable document here http://goo.gl/XK8bQE
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by sandy
hi this may be some interest to you all rearguards to chief cornstalks daughter bluesky someone from the Adkins Facebook group page attend she isn’t the mother of charity and littleberry Adkins she said the DNA doesn’t fit the MTDNA In my mind the info that we have on bluesky is correct until someone either contact the Shawnee nation or have has any record on charity the info bluesky is staying put in my tree (sorry about the first entry goofing up)
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Comment on Valentine Pieratt 1705 -1788 by william nick truewsdell
I am decended from reuben valentine and elizabeth anna ayrie
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Comment on Dear Tynk, by Debbie Ritter
Can someone tell me what it means that Julia Scot was a Mulatto?
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Theresa Caparco
This post is in response to sandy.
My son’s line out of blue sky to charity to
Chloe Etta, this family line has pictures, and a journal kept by Chloe Etta, that states her mother’s mother was Blue Sky and her full brother is Littleberry.
Also she had many 1/2 siblings that of the famous, Hezekiah Adkins of Bowen Creek WV.
Theresa Caparco for son,
Lawrence Clark
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Robert
Curious who took the mtDNA test and for what ancestor was it for, and what was the haplogroup for the person, how did you find out it didn’t match which person?
As always, thank-you.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Catherine dee Auvil (@deeAuvil)
No one knows what Cornstalk’s DNA looks like unless you want to rob his grave which would be a horrible thing to do. So how can anyone match it?
I’m really confused by how few people can clearly link themselves back to Cornstalk. He had many descendants… Or were they ALL kidnapped/adopted?
Why don’t we know one single descendant with his yDNA?
One genetic clue we have is that Cornstalk and his sister were very tall. Stands to reason their descendants would also be tall.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Theresa Caparco
This post is for Catherine Auvil.
Genetics are a fickle thing.
There are many factors that determine ones own DNA.
You may be a descendant of cornstalk and only be 5 ft 9″. This is because there are another set of DNA in play, that of your other parent.
My former father-in-law was 6’4. He was the 4th great grandson of Cornstalk.
He had 4 sons one was 6’6 another was
6′ another is 5’11 and the last 6’2.
My son is 5’9 1/2, that’s due to my immediate Italian influence, I am supposing. My sons two 1/2 brothers are 5’10 most likely due to their mothers Mexican influence.
But all are Cornstalk descendants.
Cornstalk to Blue Sky to Charity Adkins
To Chloe Etta to Lester Clark to Howard (Burr) Clark to Larry Clark to Lawrence Clark, my son.
Have a joyous day.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Sheila
I’ve tried to stay out of this conversation about the “Cornstalk” lineage but as you know I’m a huge proponent of DNA testing. I’d DNA test everyone at birth. With that said, you have to consider that no family has “cookie-cutter” descendants. I myself, have 4 “biological” Grandchildren, amid my 9 Grands. Side by side, they bare no common or dominate physical traits or characteristics. If you had watched them grow up, you’d fail to see any similarities. They run the gambit on eye & hair color, height, weight, GPA, etc. Which is true with my own children & my husband & his siblings as well. He’s one of 16 live births & trust me when I say, they’re like snowflakes; no two alike.
Yes, it is true that there is no such thing as a “Native American” gene, but you must have a certain percentage of Asian DNA to be considered ‘Native.”
As Theresa has pointed out, you must consider all the contributors in this scenario & which genes will become the dominate, how much testosterone levels per male child distributed to the number of children born to one mother. The 16th son would have minimal at best. This is why the first born tends to be the strongest of all siblings. Too many factors – including environment play a role in the outcome of any persons overall health & well-being, including their height & weight.
I would further like to ask, that you be respectful to or at least civil to the descendants of the Cornstalk families & their affiliates. As they, like you, offer their Surname history here as well as the rest of us.
Some here have even suggested the Cornstalk history to be a myth, please do your research before highhandedly bandying things like this about. It offends not only the family, it dishonors their lineage.
Thank you for your comments,
Sheila Jean Adkins Metcalf
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by John C. Cheek
Are all the Cornstalk storys Myths..There are so many of them… I have the Ailstocks in my direct line with their Cornstalk story.. I also have DNA relatives with a lot of the other stories in their lines… Mary Wiley, was she the daughter of Jennie Wiley and Black Wolf, Cornstalks son.. The Adkins story. I have relatives with that story in their family’s.. Then I have the Skaggs and Whitts who stole their wives from the Shawnee and Cherokee.. The Indians took white woman, the whites took Indian woman… Even if these stories are Myths and I don’t think they all are.. They need to be kept alive.. If your family is from early southern WVA, Eastern Kentucky, and Western NC. You probably have ancestors that were killed by, or killed Native Americans.. You also are probably related to Native Americans also..
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Comment on Parker Vincent Adkins 1720-1792 by Sarah Atkins
DNA RESULTS OF A DIRECT FEMALE DESCENDANT OF CHARITY ADKINS SHOW THAT CHARITY ADKINS’S MOTHER WAS NOT NATIVE-AMERICAN. SHE, THEREFORE, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DESCENDED FROM BLUE SKY, THE DAUGHTER OF CHIEF CORNSTALK.
Charity’s DNA haplogroup is H. Native American haplogroups are A, B, C, D and X.
H is the most common female haplogroup in Europe. Approximately half of all people with European origin are in haplogroup H.
Mitochondrial DNA passes from mother to daughter to daughter, etc., virtually unchanged so there is no doubt about the result. Charity’s mother had European ancestry, not native-American.
Thanks to Faith Ann Phelps-Richardson who identified a valid direct female descendant of Charity, Lynda Davis-Logan who tracked her down, and Audalene Starr who contributed her DNA, we now know the truth. Almost all of the people who match Audalene have ancestry that originated in England and Ireland.
Although this news will disappoint many of Charity’s descendants, it cannot be denied. All of us should now spread the news so that Charity’s history will be correct. We have to say goodbye to Blue Sky.
Here is the line of descent from Charity (with no break in the female line):
Charity Adkins & Randolph (Randle) Adkins
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Rhoda Adkins & Merritt Johnson
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Ancerilda (Serilda) Johnson & Enoch Adkins
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Betsy Adkins & Calvin Dillon
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Ella Dillon & Walter Adkins
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Goldie Adkins & Russell Mays
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Audalene Mays & Audie Adkins, Jr.
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Comment on Chief Cornstalk: Shawnee Lineage by Sarah Atkins
A direct female descendant of Charity Adkins, who was supposedly a daughter of Blue Sky, who was supposedly a daughter of Chief Cornstalk, has recently completed a mtDNA test. The results show that she has no Native American blood. Her ancestors were English/Irish/Scottish like most early settlers of that time. Here are the details, along with the names of the direct descendants:
DNA RESULTS OF A DIRECT FEMALE DESCENDANT OF CHARITY ADKINS SHOW THAT CHARITY’S MOTHER WAS NOT NATIVE-AMERICAN. SHE, THEREFORE, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DESCENDED FROM BLUE SKY, SUPPOSED DAUGHTER OF CHIEF CORNSTALK.
Charity’s DNA haplogroup is H. Native American haplogroups are A, B, C, D and X.
H is the most common female haplogroup in Europe.Approximately half of all people with European origin are in haplogroup H.
Mitochondrial DNA passes from mother to daughter to daughter, etc., virtually unchanged so there is no doubt about the result. Charity’s mother had European ancestry, not native-American.
Thanks to Faith Ann Phelps-Richardson who identified a valid direct female descendant of Charity, Lynda Davis-Logan who tracked her down, and Audalene Starr who contributed her DNA, we now know the truth. Almost all of the people who match Audalene have ancestry that originated in England and Ireland.
Although this news will disappoint many of Charity’s descendants, it cannot be denied. All of us should now spread the news so that Charity’s history will be correct. Her mother was not Blue Sky or any other Native American woman.
Here is the line of descent from Charity (with no break in the female line):
Charity Adkins & Randolph (Randle) Adkins
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Rhoda Adkins & Merritt Johnson
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Ancerilda (Serilda) Johnson & Enoch Adkins
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Betsy Adkins & Calvin Dillon
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Ella Dillon & Walter Adkins
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Goldie Adkins & Russell Mays
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Audalene Mays & Audie Adkins, Jr. (mtDNA tester)
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